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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #15 on: 14 December 2010, 17:20:41 »

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I am sure if he allegedly broke the law, I cannot think of many laws he could break that would warrant being dragged out of a wheel chair.


Yes Manta that is quite a reasonable statement.

There will always be instances when police action will be deemed as being controversial/inappropriate/excessive. 

These mass demonstrations are almost impossible to police in a way that satisfies either those who take part in them or those who disagree with them.

It is part of the raison d'ętre for their organisation - not only to make a point that is difficult to ignore (due to the numbers concerned) or to provoke a police response in the hope of gaining additional publicity by discrediting the police.

Society has to make its mind up how they wish to see these things policed.  Should the police simply contain the demonstrators within a cordon and allow them to act as they please until exhausted or should they actively discourage disorderly behaviour by robust means.  It's no easy call.

I always found it regrettable when people were injured but I’m afraid that in a situation where violence has been or is likely to be used, people can be injured. 

Insofar as trying to reason with anyone in a demonstration – especially a mass demonstration - this is all but impossible and I'm afraid that if they’re considered to be in the way, then the easiest thing to do is to remove them in the most reasonable lawful way possible in the circumstances.

Whether it was right in these circumstances to pull this young man from the chair I can't say as I wasn't present however, as always, every police officer knows that should it be proven - in this age of the camera-phone - that they have indeed acted unlawfully then they will face sanction.
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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #16 on: 14 December 2010, 18:15:25 »

for the next riot the met are going to use there new secret weapon against the students










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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #17 on: 14 December 2010, 18:21:34 »

at the end of the day he was there, in the middle of a rioting crowd, to cause trouble! Just because he's in a wheelchair doesn't mean he wasn't there to cause trouble  ;)

No sympathy from me I'm afraid... He's not an innocent party ;) seemples!
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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #18 on: 14 December 2010, 18:27:13 »

I'm with LD on this one. Same as the one last year when the police battered some prat to death (eventually).

If you chose to put yourself in harms way....


...if you didn't want to get involved with the violence, move to another part of the demonstration thats peaceful.
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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #19 on: 14 December 2010, 18:32:46 »

ok.. here you go.. do make a judgement :(

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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #20 on: 14 December 2010, 18:39:55 »

It makes me wonder if this was a bit of a set up.
Park the disabled guy near the front of the riot and hope a copper gets physical with him then play the "poor little cripple" gets a kicking from the nasty thug card.
Nothing like a bit of positive publicity after the Royal fiasco the other night.
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« Reply #21 on: 14 December 2010, 19:00:02 »

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ok.. here you go.. do make a judgement :(



oh copper when i said i liked 10 inches i didnt mean your boot
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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #22 on: 14 December 2010, 19:13:41 »

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at the end of the day he was there, in the middle of a rioting crowd, to cause trouble! Just because he's in a wheelchair doesn't mean he wasn't there to cause trouble  ;)

No sympathy from me I'm afraid... He's not an innocent party ;) seemples!

Remember that next time you make a complaint about something.   Simples ! ;) 
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« Reply #23 on: 14 December 2010, 19:16:20 »

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ok.. here you go.. do make a judgement :(



oh copper when i said i liked 10 inches i didnt mean your boot


 ;D

seriously, police in most countries have no mercy for anyone..even women or disabled  >:(

in the last events here, where students protest the govt, many students are injured and a pregnant women loose tha baby..

of course , the question arises : the police serve the community or govts  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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« Reply #24 on: 14 December 2010, 19:18:31 »

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ok.. here you go.. do make a judgement :(



Its a shemale, so the copper thought he'd kick her/it in the nuts  doh!  ::) ::)
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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #25 on: 14 December 2010, 20:01:07 »

I'm on the polices side on this one. The guy appears to be a socialist on the verge of being an anarchist, and a very belligerant one at that. He says he doesn't want to be treated any differently because he's in a wheelchair, yet tries to make  the polices actions seem worse because he is in a wheelchair. What the hell was he doing there? I'd go so far as to say he set it up as a publicity stunt, trying to play on the fact that he's in a wheelchair, hoping softies fall for it. Well he's not getting my sympathy. I'm glad he got thrown out his wheelchair, I'd do the same. For us the general public like us who aren't privvy to all the facts, from the snippet of film it looks perfectly reasonable to, conflict resolution model and the concept of the use of minimum force taken into account.
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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #26 on: 14 December 2010, 20:18:15 »

I must remind that people in wheelchairs are more sensitive to community problems.. I have friends with wheelchairs and they dont care about the walking problem.. :) :y
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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #27 on: 14 December 2010, 20:23:08 »

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at the end of the day he was there, in the middle of a rioting crowd, to cause trouble! Just because he's in a wheelchair doesn't mean he wasn't there to cause trouble  ;)

No sympathy from me I'm afraid... He's not an innocent party ;) seemples!

Remember that next time you make a complaint about something.   Simples ! ;) 

If I want to complain I don't go in the middle of an angry, rioting mob ;) ;)

Did you see him on the BBC this morning? No mention about Tuition Fees but plenty of talk about causing trouble for the Government ;) He went to cause trouble... No ifs or buts >:(

Yes, perhaps the police were heavier handed with him than was entirely necessary (in hindsight) but faced with an angry mob, they have to make quick decisions. Look at the recent history for these "Student Protests" and it's blatantly obvious that there are people there to cause trouble... They have to react and protect the Majority!

I had some sympathy for the students. Those studying real subjects (like medicine for example) should be heavily subsidised. That sympathy left when they started Rioting instead of protesting calmly and peacefully.
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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #28 on: 14 December 2010, 20:24:19 »

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ok.. here you go.. do make a judgement :(


At least he didn't use the gun! ;D
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Re: This may cause a few arguments
« Reply #29 on: 14 December 2010, 20:26:03 »

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