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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision

Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death....

I actually agree for some, possibly lots of, people, milk floats are the answer.

They should be more reliable and longer lasting that ICE.  They have all the right torque in the right places. They don't need heavy gearboxes and the driver doesn't have to concern themselves with gears and clutches.

Ignoring costs, they have a few pitfalls though.  Travelling beyond their range is problematic due to charge times (and chargers and public charge costs in the UK make it worse).  Regularly depleting the battery below around 30% is harmful to battery life.  Battery and motor maintenance is specialised and time consuming, thus expensive.  Lithium batteries are volatile, and even minor scrapes tend to write the cars off as the batteries cannot be trusted not to suffer "thermal events" in accidents, even if the battery pack appears to be untouched. Cheap home charging only allows around 70-120 miles of charge per cheap rate overnight charging. Driving any quicker than miss daisy mullers range,

Because she is a woman she has very little interest in cars. Colour and badge is probably about it.

Out of her own personal money she is having a home charger installed next week......almost £1000.

Jeeezz what a waste.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision

Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death....

.

Yes female thinking is strange, she had a new MX5 a couple of years back & hated it , now got a 2 year old Toyota Yaris Cross
(hybrid) and loves it . Got to admit that I'm impressed with it as well.

And yet an MX5 would seem ideal for a woman.

Long ago I gave up trying to understand female logic.

[Doctor Gollum]

How much does a dual motor unit weigh?

Likewise the battery pack?*

Box and Torque converter on the proper car is 64kg. Diff is probably 30kg. Engine is 160kg. So 254kg for the drive train.
Another 100kg for the fuel system including the fuel.

*610kg, so that's a bust

In the interest of fairness, The proper car weighs 1,900kgs and has a real use range of 400 miles.

The £25k price difference buys a significant amount of fuel. About 4,111 gallons in fact.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Electric cars have been forced on motorists as the medium term future, but I dont see how they can be the long term future.
I would like one as a commute car, as I could charge it at work for free, but they are too expensive.

[Rangie]

Electric cars have been forced on motorists as the medium term future, but I dont see how they can be the long term future.
I would like one as a commute car, as I could charge it at work for free, but they are too expensive.

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I was thinking of changing the Range Rover for a Toyota 4x4  hybrid took a test drive & wasn't impressed but apparently Mazda have a new 3.3 litre diesel 4x4 out at present so waiting to see the reviews on it especially for towing , a lot of the hybrids don't perform well when towing according to the reviews I've read. Electric cars don't fare well at all their range is severely compromised when a tin tent is attached.

[Doctor Gollum]

Electric cars have been forced on motorists as the medium term future, but I dont see how they can be the long term future.
I would like one as a commute car, as I could charge it at work for free, but they are too expensive.

And the free charging will soon go when demand forces the prices up.

[TheBoy]

We are already banned from charging either own own plug-ins or official company cars at work.  Obviously the vans can be.

[tunnie]

I've researched these quite a bit, they appear to suffer with battery cell issues, windscreen issues. The Jag forum basically says not to get one without a warranty.....

They also all slate the dealers being horrific in support, given you must use them and can't use an indie.

Temping by price, but think it's for good reason.

[Rangie]

Everyone on the Jaguar/Land rover forums with newish vehicles are up in arms about the multitude of problems that they're having with their vehicles & dealerships.

[Viral_Jim]

Ours is doing its job admirably, 14,500 miles in 7months and 4 days, so far I've rapid charged it three times, and for less than 10mins at a time each. Our charger gives 100-120miles of cheap charge per day.

The longest journey it does is 195 mile round trip to swmbo's office, which it can currently manage even in winter, I haven't noticed any battery depredation as yet and it goes between 100% and 5-20% on a more or less daily basis.

For us it's a very cost effective way to drive round in a very nice car. 

I certainly would buy one with my own money, but certainly wouldn't buy one as the only car in the household.

[TheBoy]

I've researched these quite a bit, they appear to suffer with battery cell issues, windscreen issues. The Jag forum basically says not to get one without a warranty.....

They also all slate the dealers being horrific in support, given you must use them and can't use an indie.

Temping by price, but think it's for good reason.

I think most of the problems with JLR*, Jaguars in particular, is the franchised dealers.  I suspect JLR know this which could be why they are culling virtually all franchised dealers.

When we left the EU, we took all the current EU laws, and that includes the equivalent of right to repair, so there is no reason why Indies can't do them.  Obviously most indies do not want to touch any EV, due to the additional manpower and risks to business.

If I was in the market for a new or near new EV - they don't yet work for me so I'm not - the iPace would be there, as the only other realistic option is a Tesla, and they managed to make JLR build quality look brilliant.


*Aside from the Scottish idiothead ex lead designer, obviously.

[Viral_Jim]

On the independent route for EV maintenance, there are a few starting to spring up Cleevely EV do mobile servicing and (if their website is to be believed) do fairly major repairs to EVs, such as pulling battery packs and replacing individual faulty modules. I would personally use them as they seem to get very good reviews.

They also charge two flat rates for EV servicing - VW and non VW (VW being £10 more) which is a decent indication that they aren't rip off merchants capitalising on the badge to maximise revenues - unlike all franchise dealers.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Ours is doing its job admirably, 14,500 miles in 7months and 4 days, so far I've rapid charged it three times, and for less than 10mins at a time each. Our charger gives 100-120miles of cheap charge per day.

The longest journey it does is 195 mile round trip to swmbo's office, which it can currently manage even in winter, I haven't noticed any battery depredation as yet and it goes between 100% and 5-20% on a more or less daily basis.

For us it's a very cost effective way to drive round in a very nice car. 

I certainly would buy one with my own money, but certainly wouldn't buy one as the only car in the household.

Which electric car do you have, Jimmy?

[YZ250]

Ours is doing its job admirably, 14,500 miles in 7months and 4 days, so far I've rapid charged it three times, and for less than 10mins at a time each. Our charger gives 100-120miles of cheap charge per day.

The longest journey it does is 195 mile round trip to swmbo's office, which it can currently manage even in winter, I haven't noticed any battery depredation as yet and it goes between 100% and 5-20% on a more or less daily basis.

For us it's a very cost effective way to drive round in a very nice car. 

I certainly would buy one with my own money, but certainly wouldn't buy one as the only car in the household.

Which electric car do you have, Jimmy?

I believe he has a bmw ix3.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

That must have cost a pretty penny.