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[YZ250]

Saw one last week for just over £36k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra

New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.

Jeez, charge time to 100% is 12 hours and 36 minutes.    That’ll be handy when I pop up to the Lakes or down to Cornwall.    I’d have to book an extra day at each end of the holiday just for charging time, as the Holiday Lets that I use don’t have charging points.

[Andy B]

Saw one last week for just over £36k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra

New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.

Jeez, charge time to 100% is 12 hours and 36 minutes.    That’ll be handy when I pop up to the Lakes or down to Cornwall.    I’d have to book an extra day at each end of the holiday just for charging time, as the Holiday Lets that I use don’t have charging points.

But a 50kW fast charger will it to 80% in an hour & 25mins 

[LC0112G]

There is something wrong with that Autotrader calculation.

2.3Kw to 100% = 43h
7.4Kw to 100% = 12h36
22Kw to 100% = 9h18
50Kw to 80% = 1h25
100Kw to 80% = 0h50

The 22Kw figure makes no sense. I think the car has a 90KWh battery. You are much more likely to charge it to 100% at home. So 90KWh/2.3Kw = 39 hours, right sort of ballpark. 90KWh/7.4Kw = 12.16h, again about right. 90KWh/22Kw = 4.09 hours, so should be more like 4.5 hours.

If you're going on a long trip you typically plan to get down to about 10% charge, and then charge them back up to 80%.  The batteries do not charge at a constant rate - the charging starts to tail off once you go past 50-60% charge, and the bit between 90% and 100% takes forever. So it is usually quicker to stop again and take two 45% charges rather than one 90% charge.

However, what this really means is that the advertised 100%-0% range of 279 miles is in reality a 100%-10% range of 250 miles for the first stint (starting from home), and then subsequent stints of sub 200 miles (80%-10%), and stops of around and hour to charge in between. And that's assuming the 279 mile range is realistic in the first place, which it probably isn't.

An 600 mile trip therefore typically needs 3 charges, so 3 hours. Most petrol cars can do the trip with one stop for fuel (say 15 minutes), and a Diesel car could probably do it without stopping at all.

[YZ250]

Saw one last week for just over £36k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra

New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.

Jeez, charge time to 100% is 12 hours and 36 minutes.    That’ll be handy when I pop up to the Lakes or down to Cornwall.    I’d have to book an extra day at each end of the holiday just for charging time, as the Holiday Lets that I use don’t have charging points.

But a 50kW fast charger will it to 80% in an hour & 25mins 

Oh yeh, I only saw the 7KW home charging time, I missed the 50KW charge time.    Most Services have a 2 hour limit so it’s going to be cutting it fine for some people. 
On a decent run, my diesel has a range of well over 700 miles, so unless things change drastically with EV’s I have no interest in them.

[TheBoy]

I was at a company a few months ago, and they all get Teslas for company cars...

...which isn't working out for them.  They can fast charge for around 5hrs on cheap rate, and at 7KW, thats 35kWH assuming 100% efficiency.

Reality is they are getting about 100 miles range per overnight charge, less if using the motorways, which for most of them means they struggle to get into the office each day (without getting rapped on non cheap rate leccy)

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Saw one last week for just over £36k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301032922630?sort=price-asc&twcs=true&searchId=b88960a5-fe99-4065-947c-a93de42ad430&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&make=Jaguar&maximum-mileage=100&postcode=S66%207LF&year-to=2024&fromsra

New Year now, customers will be wanting 2025 models so prices on old stock may drop.

Jeez, charge time to 100% is 12 hours and 36 minutes.    That’ll be handy when I pop up to the Lakes or down to Cornwall.    I’d have to book an extra day at each end of the holiday just for charging time, as the Holiday Lets that I use don’t have charging points.

This works if.

1. You have a home charger.
2. Travel less than 200 miles at any one time.
3. Never use any part of the current charging system (much of which doesn't work, and is very expensive) and pay £5 for a cup of coffee and another £3 for a sticky bun whilst waiting for the large PP9 to charge.
4. You own a proper  3 litre straight 6 petrol car, or desirable 2.8 V6 petrol car for longer or unexpected trips.


No sane person should rely 100% on an electric car alone.

[TheBoy]

And I suspect those would were early adopters, but found 70-100 miles a day was either not enough, or causing battery issues due to regularly taking below 20-30%, have given up and gone back to ICE.  And then the arse has dropped out of it.

In these parts, we're mostly either London or Brum commuters.  Both of which are 75 miles each way.  7kW home chargers aren't sufficient.

[TheBoy]

No sane person should rely 100% on an electric car alone.

They will work for some people.  People living in Milton Keynes for example.

As any Keynees here will attest to, it's far too scary to leave MK's grid, similar to Columbus sailing off the edge of the world.  Thus paying 3-5p per mile in a shitbox Chinky milkfloat is viable.  And given the nature of city driving, the torque characteristics are perfect.

So they have a place in life....    ....just not where I live!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

And I suspect those would were early adopters, but found 70-100 miles a day was either not enough, or causing battery issues due to regularly taking below 20-30%, have given up and gone back to ICE.  And then the arse has dropped out of it.

In these parts, we're mostly either London or Brum commuters.  Both of which are 75 miles each way. 7kW home chargers aren't sufficient.

Assuming you can charge for 12 hours each day (full charge) that would mean 7 hours of cheap leccy and 5 hours of standard rate electricity......currently around 28p KW hour plus VAT form Octopussy.

Anyone good at maths?

[LC0112G]

And I suspect those would were early adopters, but found 70-100 miles a day was either not enough, or causing battery issues due to regularly taking below 20-30%, have given up and gone back to ICE.  And then the arse has dropped out of it.

In these parts, we're mostly either London or Brum commuters.  Both of which are 75 miles each way. 7kW home chargers aren't sufficient.

Assuming you can charge for 12 hours each day (full charge) that would mean 7 hours of cheap leccy and 5 hours of standard rate electricity......currently around 28p KW hour plus VAT form Octopussy.

Anyone good at maths?

Assuming 8p per KWh off peak...
((5h * 0.28p/KWh) + (7h * 0.08p/KWh)) * 7KWh = £13.72. Plus VAT @ 5% = £14.40

So sub £15 if you can charge at home, and do less than 200 miles per trip or per day.  Works for a shopping trolley and school run mumsy bus.

[joshwyatt]

The I-Pace is currently available new for under £31,000 to fleet operators, with a 6 month retention clause. JLR and Mercedes in particular are doing very good deals on EV.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision

Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death....

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

......and with the mighty Signum costing almost £800 each year to tax.

[Rangie]

The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision

Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death....

.

Yes female thinking is strange, she had a new MX5 a couple of years back & hated it , now got a 2 year old Toyota Yaris Cross
(hybrid) and loves it . Got to admit that I'm impressed with it as well.

[TheBoy]

The main reason I started this thread is because Mrs Opti wants her next car to run on 'elastictrickery'. She rarely travels more than 100 miles in any one day. However, she thinks electric cars are the future whether we like it or not.......so presumably it is some sort of economic decision

Quite strange really considering her politics are even further to the right than that of Albitz and TB, and she would be quite happy to club a baby seal to death....

I actually agree for some, possibly lots of, people, milk floats are the answer.

They should be more reliable and longer lasting that ICE.  They have all the right torque in the right places. They don't need heavy gearboxes and the driver doesn't have to concern themselves with gears and clutches.

Ignoring costs, they have a few pitfalls though.  Travelling beyond their range is problematic due to charge times (and chargers and public charge costs in the UK make it worse).  Regularly depleting the battery below around 30% is harmful to battery life.  Battery and motor maintenance is specialised and time consuming, thus expensive.  Lithium batteries are volatile, and even minor scrapes tend to write the cars off as the batteries cannot be trusted not to suffer "thermal events" in accidents, even if the battery pack appears to be untouched. Cheap home charging only allows around 70-120 miles of charge per cheap rate overnight charging. Driving any quicker than miss daisy mullers range,