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[STEMO]

So when Trump gets in and carries out his cut off aid to Ukraine, presumably we in the West will have to stump up the deficit.

Even getting creative with assets “ held” from Russia, that means more from our pockets………. Vote Harris.

Let's face it, Europe is nothing without the US. We could never afford to support Ukraine without American money. We could never arm Ukraine without American weapons. And I doubt we could defend ourselves against Russia without American support.
Trump knows this.

[Varche]

True but the EU is trying to raise 45 billion in support

[Raeturbo]

Nah Putin will warm us up nicely 👍

Your sheep still glow in the dark from Chernobyl  makes them easy to find,.or so I am told

             Yes, a very fortunate side effect now the nights are drawing in… and the darkness……🙁

[Sir Tigger KC]

What I don't understand, is why our useless clowns of 'leaders' are having a public debate about whether we are going to let Ukraine hit targets in Russia with western weapons. Or not.   

Do they even realise what weak pathetic fools they look like?    And are! 

If you're going to do it, do it FFS, and let the Russians find out the hard way! 

[Raeturbo]

https://youtu.be/Ri6_nT84brQ?feature=shared

[Rangie]

What I don't understand, is why our useless clowns of 'leaders' are having a public debate about whether we are going to let Ukraine hit targets in Russia with western weapons. Or not.   

Do they even realise what weak pathetic fools they look like?    And are! 

If you're going to do it, do it FFS, and let the Russians find out the hard way! 

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Got to agree with you entirely, never used to announce an attack in my day suprise was always the best way to get rid of the enemy.

[Sir Tigger KC]

What I don't understand, is why our useless clowns of 'leaders' are having a public debate about whether we are going to let Ukraine hit targets in Russia with western weapons. Or not.   

Do they even realise what weak pathetic fools they look like?    And are! 

If you're going to do it, do it FFS, and let the Russians find out the hard way! 

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Got to agree with you entirely, never used to announce an attack in my day suprise was always the best way to get rid of the enemy.

Maybe it's a bluff and they're just letting Putin think that they are weak incompetent fools? 

[STEMO]

What I don't understand, is why our useless clowns of 'leaders' are having a public debate about whether we are going to let Ukraine hit targets in Russia with western weapons. Or not.   

Do they even realise what weak pathetic fools they look like?    And are! 

If you're going to do it, do it FFS, and let the Russians find out the hard way! 

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Got to agree with you entirely, never used to announce an attack in my day suprise was always the best way to get rid of the enemy.

Maybe it's a bluff and they're just letting Putin think that they are weak incompetent fools? 

They're doing a sterling job 😂

[Doctor Gollum]

We get nothing back from pouring cash into Ukraine. And if the only reason we're doing it is because the US is picking up the bulk of the bill and the next President doesn't want to subsidise it, they perhaps we shouldn't be paying either.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Well if Trump gets in, he might completely blindside everyone and do something completely unexpected. 

[Kevin Wood]

We get nothing back from pouring cash into Ukraine. And if the only reason we're doing it is because the US is picking up the bulk of the bill and the next President doesn't want to subsidise it, they perhaps we shouldn't be paying either.

Well, other than not having the inconvenience of being forced to learn russian and live in a soviet state by the time he makes it this far across Europe.

[STEMO]

We get nothing back from pouring cash into Ukraine. And if the only reason we're doing it is because the US is picking up the bulk of the bill and the next President doesn't want to subsidise it, they perhaps we shouldn't be paying either.

Well, other than not having the inconvenience of being forced to learn russian and live in a soviet state by the time he makes it this far across Europe.

Fortunately, we and the French have nukes. Just enough of them to make him think twice. Now......all we need to do is get them seaborne.

[Varche]

We get nothing back from pouring cash into Ukraine. And if the only reason we're doing it is because the US is picking up the bulk of the bill and the next President doesn't want to subsidise it, they perhaps we shouldn't be paying either.

Apart from the obvious not having to learn Russian* , Ukraine will be a cash cow for the EU ( not the UK of course) . How so? Rebuilding contracts. Plus all the Ukrainians that will become part of the mighty EU machine.

* did people not see Russia just walk in and take over the Prize of Crimea? Plenty of other prizes to be had in the Baltic and Eastern Europe. Britain itself would make a nice prize. At least Poland has woken up. Russia is spending 30% of GDP on war. We are lucky if we spend 2%.

[Sir Tigger KC]

We get nothing back from pouring cash into Ukraine. And if the only reason we're doing it is because the US is picking up the bulk of the bill and the next President doesn't want to subsidise it, they perhaps we shouldn't be paying either.

Apart from the obvious not having to learn Russian* , Ukraine will be a cash cow for the EU ( not the UK of course) . How so? Rebuilding contracts. Plus all the Ukrainians that will become part of the mighty EU machine.

* did people not see Russia just walk in and take over the Prize of Crimea? Plenty of other prizes to be had in the Baltic and Eastern Europe. Britain itself would make a nice prize. At least Poland has woken up. Russia is spending 30% of GDP on war. We are lucky if we spend 2%.

Yes our regime says they will increase defence spending when economic conditions allow. 

I wonder if Sir Starmer has picked up the phone to Putin....  " Excuse me Mr Putin Sir.... I wonder if you'd mind holding back for a couple of years, until we can actually afford a war. There's this £22bn black hole you see?  You will? Oh that's just splendid! "

Meanwhile poor old Uncle Stemo has to freeze this winter, £11bn gets sent off to foreign countries for climate aid, or directly to their leaders Swiss bank accounts, all of our Astute class attack submarines are alongside for one reason or another and it's much the same with the Type 45 Destroyers, but hell the train drivers are alright! 

[Kevin Wood]

We get nothing back from pouring cash into Ukraine. And if the only reason we're doing it is because the US is picking up the bulk of the bill and the next President doesn't want to subsidise it, they perhaps we shouldn't be paying either.

Apart from the obvious not having to learn Russian* , Ukraine will be a cash cow for the EU ( not the UK of course) . How so? Rebuilding contracts. Plus all the Ukrainians that will become part of the mighty EU machine.

* did people not see Russia just walk in and take over the Prize of Crimea? Plenty of other prizes to be had in the Baltic and Eastern Europe. Britain itself would make a nice prize. At least Poland has woken up. Russia is spending 30% of GDP on war. We are lucky if we spend 2%.

Yes our regime says they will increase defence spending when economic conditions allow. 

I wonder if Sir Starmer has picked up the phone to Putin....  " Excuse me Mr Putin Sir.... I wonder if you'd mind holding back for a couple of years, until we can actually afford a war. There's this £22bn black hole you see?  You will? Oh that's just splendid! "

Meanwhile poor old Uncle Stemo has to freeze this winter, £11bn gets sent off to foreign countries for climate aid, or directly to their leaders Swiss bank accounts, all of our Astute class attack submarines are alongside for one reason or another and it's much the same with the Type 45 Destroyers, but hell the train drivers are alright! 

£57,869 on average, according to Glassdoor. For holding a lever all day. An HGV driver but without responsibility for steering or changing gear. Easy to see why Starmer had to immediately capitulate. They must have been on bread and water.