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Re: Theresa or Jeremy?
« Reply #135 on: 24 April 2017, 09:56:37 »

For me, the choice has to be based on which party do we think is best positioned to spend the next two years plus going into battle with Europe (as that's the main task in the short/medium term future).

Should you choose a belligerent woman or an incompetent twit who cant even get on with his own team......

......for me, at the moment, its simple but, may change over the next few weeks based on policies (those that make sense and can be believed that is!)
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« Reply #136 on: 24 April 2017, 10:45:55 »

policies (those that make sense and can be believed that is!)

So .. none of them?
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« Reply #137 on: 24 April 2017, 10:54:03 »

policies (those that make sense and can be believed that is!)

So .. none of them?

For me its more a personal judgement, if party A make the statement that they will spend x billions on the NHS, reverse cuts etc. but, are not able to state how its funded then the bull shit stamp comes out. If it was something half achievable then its very different.....now if they actually do it or not is a different matter.

But I am not the sort of mug who believes what is said because its written on the side of a bus and sounds 'nice'  ;D :y
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« Reply #138 on: 24 April 2017, 10:54:40 »

A Tory socialist is like a Jewish Muslim. I.E. just not possible. A moderate Tory yes, but a Tory socialist no.

Yes, it is possible and I am one of them.

So was Winston Churchill, thought of as a true blue Tory, but he crossed the House twice joining the Liberals back in 1904 (bebore the Labour Party was born) in protest of the high level of militarilism by the Conservatives when social reforms were needed.  In 1908 he protested against the Tories building 8 dreadnoughts in that year alone when again he perceived there was a great need for the state to assist the working man, with pensions and other welfare rights, against an outcry of Conservative MP's all protesting that "we want eight and we can't wait!"

That is the Blue Socialist I am, whilst upholding most of the values a a true Conservative. So, to the doubters, yes it is possible to be both now as much as it was for Churchill back them He crossed the House for the second time in 1925 to rejoin the Conservatives, and that is how most people believe he was always a true blue Conservative. If you are a politician without dogma, and have a true commitment to certain political values to really serve our Country, then this is the only way to be. :y
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Re: Theresa or Jeremy?
« Reply #139 on: 24 April 2017, 11:14:39 »

That he achieved a second term, let alone a third is beyond comprehension >:(
As said, the British voting public is either very, very stupid, or very, very gullible.  Probably a combination of the 2, which is worse case scenario.


Maybe I should stand, as the leader of the mass cull of stupid people party.
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« Reply #140 on: 24 April 2017, 11:38:25 »

I'm reading at the moment, a highly recommended book, by one of the 20th century great economists and political philosophers Frederic Hayek. It was written in his spare time between 1941 and 1944 and is called 'The road to serfdom'. He was born in Austria, but moved to the UK in the 1930's, where he became a prominent economist at The London School of Economics. He considered Communism and National Socialism as one and the same in terms of planned economies and the total loss of freedom. In his view, one of the reasons, they hate each other is where they are both trying to recruit the same type of people, from the same pool, to back their cause.

"It is disquieting to see in England and the United States today the same drawing together of forces and nearly the same contempt of all that is liberal in the old sense. 'Conservative socialism' was the slogan under which a large number of writers prepared the atmosphere in which National Socialism succeeded. It is 'conservative socialism' which is the dominant trend among us now."

With the intellectual links of 'conservative socialism' to National Socialism in the 1930's and 40's, Lizzie, might want to find another less controversial term to describe her politics. :-X :-X :-X

Yes, a great book that I read at University. Mrs Thatcher had a special leather bound copy of it that Hayek gave to her, which was in the background (but not in total control) of Thatchers policies, especially those relating to the free market.  John Maynard Keynes was his economist opponent, who's words of "the main cause of slumps was excessive credit creation by the banks leading to overspending." was proved all too true in 2008.

As for National Socialism Rod, I am not at all worried that my politics may align with that philosophy. The Utilitarianism of J.S. Mill and the "the ends justify the means" of Machiavelli and then Nietzsche’s (mad yes, but still valid) belief in the strong looking after the weak (not the evil  warped interruption Hitler gave to it) can be a healthy mix in  our politics of today. I believe the State should look after the genuine sick and those with special needs.  It is the state's capitalist policies that work a man / women to achieve the aims of the nation, to produce the GDP required, so it is only right that the state picks up and helps those so "injured" in the process. National Socialism could be a beneficial policy, but as we have witnessed, in the wrong hands all is twisted, and with their version, if you fall sick and frail you should be eradicated.  I fail to see how any good human can accept that, but, for a time, they did!

As with all politics and philosophy it can be mixed up, interrupted, rehashed, and applied in all kinds of ways over the decades, to meet human needs of the time. As I have stated, dogma is a bad thing in politics, and all of us should consider what is needed now in the context of today, not some far off time in the past.  I can see little reason personally for not being a Conservative Socialist as that is what is required now.  Our society and world needs some radical changes in political application to create a truly fair and just society, whatever party badge you place on it.

The problem is now, thanks to Corbyn, there is no effective opposition. That must be a matter of serious concern in our democratic society.

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Re: Theresa or Jeremy?
« Reply #141 on: 24 April 2017, 12:13:32 »

That he achieved a second term, let alone a third is beyond comprehension >:(
As said, the British voting public is either very, very stupid, or very, very gullible.  Probably a combination of the 2, which is worse case scenario.


Maybe I should stand, as the leader of the mass cull of stupid people party.

Clearly highlighted on a course I attended last week.

When posed with the question of 'what is the speed limit for a standard car on UK motorways' and given the option of 30, 60, 70 and 80 the following results were gained (from 24 off people):

30 - 0%
60 - 25%
70 - 50%
80 - 25%

......yes indeed, they walk amongst us...
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« Reply #142 on: 24 April 2017, 12:51:09 »

That he achieved a second term, let alone a third is beyond comprehension >:(
As said, the British voting public is either very, very stupid, or very, very gullible.  Probably a combination of the 2, which is worse case scenario.


Maybe I should stand, as the leader of the mass cull of stupid people party.

Clearly highlighted on a course I attended last week.

When posed with the question of 'what is the speed limit for a standard car on UK motorways' and given the option of 30, 60, 70 and 80 the following results were gained (from 24 off people):

30 - 0%
60 - 25%
70 - 50%
80 - 25%

......yes indeed, they walk amongst us...
What flavour of course? One for immigrants hoping to be Britishised? That's the kind of shite they put into those.  ;D
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Re: Theresa or Jeremy?
« Reply #143 on: 24 April 2017, 12:51:32 »

That he achieved a second term, let alone a third is beyond comprehension >:(
As said, the British voting public is either very, very stupid, or very, very gullible.  Probably a combination of the 2, which is worse case scenario.


Maybe I should stand, as the leader of the mass cull of stupid people party.

I'll vote for you so long as I can be first in line. :) 8)
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Re: Theresa or Jeremy?
« Reply #144 on: 24 April 2017, 12:53:25 »

That he achieved a second term, let alone a third is beyond comprehension >:(
As said, the British voting public is either very, very stupid, or very, very gullible.  Probably a combination of the 2, which is worse case scenario.


Maybe I should stand, as the leader of the mass cull of stupid people party.

Clearly highlighted on a course I attended last week.

When posed with the question of 'what is the speed limit for a standard car on UK motorways' and given the option of 30, 60, 70 and 80 the following results were gained (from 24 off people):

30 - 0%
60 - 25%
70 - 50%
80 - 25%

......yes indeed, they walk amongst us...

50% gave the wrong answer so I assume half the people who attended were women.
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« Reply #145 on: 24 April 2017, 13:03:03 »

That he achieved a second term, let alone a third is beyond comprehension >:(
As said, the British voting public is either very, very stupid, or very, very gullible.  Probably a combination of the 2, which is worse case scenario.


Maybe I should stand, as the leader of the mass cull of stupid people party.

I'll vote for you so long as I can be first in line. :) 8)
To be culled?
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« Reply #146 on: 24 April 2017, 13:04:59 »

Corbyn seems to have a death wish. He's announced he's going to strengthen the trade unions. I feel sorry for genuine Labour Party members.
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« Reply #147 on: 24 April 2017, 13:06:39 »

I predict that Theresa May and Marine Le Pen will have a lesbian love affair.  ;D
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« Reply #148 on: 24 April 2017, 13:08:58 »

That he achieved a second term, let alone a third is beyond comprehension >:(
As said, the British voting public is either very, very stupid, or very, very gullible.  Probably a combination of the 2, which is worse case scenario.


Maybe I should stand, as the leader of the mass cull of stupid people party.

I'll vote for you so long as I can be first in line. :) 8)
To be culled?

Yes please. :)
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« Reply #149 on: 24 April 2017, 13:10:20 »

That he achieved a second term, let alone a third is beyond comprehension >:(
As said, the British voting public is either very, very stupid, or very, very gullible.  Probably a combination of the 2, which is worse case scenario.


Maybe I should stand, as the leader of the mass cull of stupid people party.

I'll vote for you so long as I can be first in line. :) 8)
To be culled?

Yes please. :)
No need for Jaime to form a political party, just pm me your address and write a note with your choice of exits.  :)
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