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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I agree with all of the above.

It is not beyond the wit of man to catch this guy.

It was on Radio 2  ... Jeremy Vine. Manchester Plod say that although they can trace the owner, they can't prove who the driver was because the owner won't tell them. 
So .... when the speeding ticket/whatever arrives through the door addressed to the owner of a car, he/she can say 'no idea who was driving' and that's that! 

It's hard to believe the rozzers are going to leave it at that.

"Very well sir, as you refuse to tell us the name of the driver we'll be on our way and leave you in peace.".

No surely not.

[pscocoa]

A few years ago my 80 year old  father in law (now sadly deceased) was a victim of road rage from a druggie yob aged 30 who deliberately drove at FILs car and delivered a glancing blow to side of car. Police could not trace him and when interviewing my FIL asked him if he had "provoked' this yob.

My ex force's brother in law traced driver but nothing was done. We wrote to MP, got police complaints involved etc (long story) and ended up with compensation for police mishandling.

[btc]

I thought it was an offence not to disclose the drivers details

[Bigron]

Yes, "btc", but only if caught speeding by the Greed Cameras!

Ron.

[Steve B]

Well done STEMO... Another member leaves and it is all your fault 

[STEMO]

Well done STEMO... Another member leaves and it is all your fault 

Who's left?

[STEMO]

Ah...Jason. I think if you read the thread, you'll find that I was the only one who didn't disrespect our fine ossifier of the law.

[STEMO]

So, this time, I'm not going to post my link to "another one bites the dust".....although it is a fine tune. 

[Shackeng]

I suspect Jason is as infuriated as any decent copper by this, but I am sure that the reason a lot of these incidents are not followed up relates to targets etc. and is driven by pressure from above, infuriating the front line coppers

[LC0112G]

It is indeed and offence for the registered keeper, or anyone else for that matter to not respond to a S172 request for driver information. However, the registered keeper could be a company, and in that case forcing a company to disclose information is difficult. You can't put points on a companies license, all you can do is fine them. If the company decides to 'protect' an individual then that's likely to be the end of any chance to prosecute the driver.

The other issue is that S172 can only be used to obtain driver details for offenses under certain sections of the RTOA/RTA. So what's the charge in this case? Doesn't appear to be an RTOA case - more like threatening behaviour, assault or criminal damage. S172 can't be used for that.

[biggriffin]

They can use perverting the cause for justice, there are other minor ways that individuals/company's can be persuaded to release the driver of a vehicle.

[tigers_gonads]

I suspect Jason is as infuriated as any decent copper by this, but I am sure that the reason a lot of these incidents are not followed up relates to targets etc. and is driven by pressure from above, infuriating the front line coppers

Yup

I know 3 coppers personally and 1 friend of a friend who is a traffic copper with blunderside police.
Ask anyone of them and you will find that everyone to a man will say how friggin oppsed off they get in situations like this when the so called law effectively stops them from doing what they know is right 

On the subject of revenue cameras, said traffic copper also hates the things with a passion and would much rather triple the amount of traffic coppers on the road and let them use some common sense if or when to pull somebody.
Not spoken to him for a good few years but I believe they have tied him to a desk nowdays 

 

[LC0112G]

They can use perverting the cause for justice,

They would have to prove (beyond reasonable doubt) that the person being questioned knew who the driver was. If the person being questioned simply says "don't know" then PCoJ is unlikely to fly.

there are other minor ways that individuals/company's can be persuaded to release the driver of a vehicle.

Such as? S172 is such a draconian power that it only just managed to squeak through the ECtHR as being proportional. Compelling people to give self-incriminatory evidence in more serious cases is highly unlikely to get past the ECtHR. Or are we talking waterboarding? 

[Bigron]

I'm not sure that I understood much of that, LCO112G!
Regarding your reference to "proper" policing, TG, I certainly would have welcomed that approach a few years back when stopped by an UNMARKED traffic car half-way down the M3 at about 3 AM on a clear, dry and virtually empty Motorway for exceeding the speed limit.
He got me on Vascar and would not listed to reason, probably visualising the cash benefit to their Christmas fund?
My point is that it was a first offence with NO safety issues, so a warning/reprimand would have sufficed: instead of which, I got a Court appearance, fined £150 and they looked after my licence for me for 6 months.
Speaking of safety issues, isn't the Police's Prime Directive prevention before prosecution?
Clearly marked police vehicles and gerrd traps/cameras would go a long way to helping achieve this aim.

Ron.

[Viral_Jim]

I'd love to say that my experience of the plod was different. But...

Couple of years ago my car was in London car park, I deliberately parked bang in front of a security camera. Came back after 2hrs to find someone had hit the front of my car, moved the bumper and smashed the headlight.

Called the plod, the guy came out, told me there was nothing they could do  . Then, 2 days later a letter drops from the same plod force telling me that I had to repair my headlight in the next 7days or I'd be committing an offence and be fined for the vehicle being not roadworthy  . 

Also, despite the apparent cutbacks, South Wales police don't seem to be short of unmarked bikes, scoobies and audi Q7's to knock about the counties' A & B roads in issuing fines.

Her majesty's revenue collection services at their finest.