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[Rods2]

The IDS and DWP have been trying to hide the number of deaths while people are claiming incapacity benefit. A FOI was denied which was then granted by a judge in a court hearing with IDS and DWP appealing against the ruling.

Where I believe good Government is generally transparent Government (defense and FP being the exceptions) I signed a petition as part of a campaign to get them released. IDS and the DWP have finally relented and here are the figures for those that are interested.

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/08/27/known-number-of-deaths-while-claiming-incapacity-benefits-nears-100000/

[Sir Tigger KC]

If you're claiming Incapacity Benefit then you're clearly not very well and are more likely to die than other benefit claiments.  No? 

Can't see why the DWP would try and hide these figures apart from trying to avoid the media whipping up something out of nothing. 

[STEMO]

Did you read any of that, Tigger?

[BazaJT]

I really don't know how they get away with it.When I registered Maureens death earlier this year the registrar automatically registered this with all relevant departments,so pension,invalidity,mobility allowance etc. were all stopped with immediate effect.You are of course legally obliged to register a death within a small time frame of the event.

[the alarming man]

If you're claiming Incapacity Benefit then you're clearly not very well and are more likely to die than other benefit claiments.  No? 

Can't see why the DWP would try and hide these figures apart from trying to avoid the media whipping up something out of nothing. 

well you say that if you are claiming incapacity benefits you are clearly unwell , but 4010 died within 6 weeks of getting a fit to work status...obviously the DWP don't think so...and as for the media it needs whipping up a lot more along with the child abuse investigations as half of the scum need locking up

[Sir Tigger KC]

If you're claiming Incapacity Benefit then you're clearly not very well and are more likely to die than other benefit claiments.  No? 

Can't see why the DWP would try and hide these figures apart from trying to avoid the media whipping up something out of nothing. 

well you say that if you are claiming incapacity benefits you are clearly unwell , but 4010 died within 6 weeks of getting a fit to work status...obviously the DWP don't think so...and as for the media it needs whipping up a lot more along with the child abuse investigations as half of the scum need locking up

Sorry if this is a bit contentious.    but people who are fit enough to work drop dead as well.   

[the alarming man]

If you're claiming Incapacity Benefit then you're clearly not very well and are more likely to die than other benefit claiments.  No? 

Can't see why the DWP would try and hide these figures apart from trying to avoid the media whipping up something out of nothing. 

well you say that if you are claiming incapacity benefits you are clearly unwell , but 4010 died within 6 weeks of getting a fit to work status...obviously the DWP don't think so...and as for the media it needs whipping up a lot more along with the child abuse investigations as half of the scum need locking up

Sorry if this is a bit contentious.    but people who are fit enough to work drop dead as well.   

then obviously you are not fit for work to start off with if just by getting judgement you drop dead

[05omegav6]

If you're working, then wtf would you be claiming benefits...

[Sir Tigger KC]

So how can you prove that these people died because they had an unfavourable outcome?   

To put these numbers into perspective, in 2011 2,600,000 people claimed Incapacity Benefit and according to the study roughly 30,000  a year died over the 3 year period, which is annually about 1.1% of the total. *

This is slightly higher than the national average death rate of 0.91%, but as I pointed out earlier if you are claiming Incapacity Benefit then you have an illness, condition or disability, so is it surprising that the death rate is higher in this group of people?

I'm sure that the DWP's assessments have been a stressful process for many and that there have been injustices, but I find it a little spurious to claim that these people died because of decisions made by the DWP.

Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here. 

* All figures are approximate.

[korum]

So how can you prove that these people died because they had an unfavourable outcome?   

To put these numbers into perspective, in 2011 2,600,000 people claimed Incapacity Benefit and according to the study roughly 30,000  a year died over the 3 year period, which is annually about 1.1% of the total. *

This is slightly higher than the national average death rate of 0.91%, but as I pointed out earlier if you are claiming Incapacity Benefit then you have an illness, condition or disability, so is it surprising that the death rate is higher in this group of people?

I'm sure that the DWP's assessments have been a stressful process for many and that there have been injustices, but I find it a little spurious to claim that these people died because of decisions made by the DWP.

Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here. 

* All figures are approximate.

its not about the death rate of people on IB v general populous, its about the death rate of people who have been declared fit for work and then died v general populous which is higher, thus suggesting that some people who were declared fit should not have been.

but as the figures dont show reason for death there is no way of knowing if there is a correlation between the two.

[Terbs]

Excuse my ignorance on the subject....but who is it that actually makes a decision of 'fit for work'. Is there not a GP/Medical input 

[Sir Tigger KC]

its not about the death rate of people on IB v general populous, its about the death rate of people who have been declared fit for work and then died v general populous which is higher, thus suggesting that some people who were declared fit should not have been.

but as the figures dont show reason for death there is no way of knowing if there is a correlation between the two.

Yes I understand that, but putting their figures into perspective with statistics relating to the general population is useful as it shows that the death rate is higher, but not by much and as I've said I reckon you could expect the death rate of people claiming incapacity benefit to be higher anyway. 

I'm sure that there have been people who have been declared fit for work who shouldn't have been and that some of those have gone on to die, but for sure there were people in that study who were correctly declared fit for work and then they died as well.

Sometimes seemingly fit and healthy people die suddenly.  It happens.  Apparently their deaths are only newsworthy if they were recently claiming incapacity benefits. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

its not about the death rate of people on IB v general populous, its about the death rate of people who have been declared fit for work and then died v general populous which is higher, thus suggesting that some people who were declared fit should not have been.

but as the figures dont show reason for death there is no way of knowing if there is a correlation between the two.

Yes I understand that, but putting their figures into perspective with statistics relating to the general population is useful as it shows that the death rate is higher, but not by much and as I've said I reckon you could expect the death rate of people claiming incapacity benefit to be higher anyway. 

I'm sure that there have been people who have been declared fit for work who shouldn't have been and that some of those have gone on to die, but for sure there were people in that study who were correctly declared fit for work and then they died as well.

Sometimes seemingly fit and healthy people die suddenly.  It happens.  Apparently their deaths are only newsworthy if they were recently claiming incapacity benefits. 

Despite him being from 'Dawsett' I broadly concur with Sir Tigger on this one.

[the alarming man]

Excuse my ignorance on the subject....but who is it that actually makes a decision of 'fit for work'. Is there not a GP/Medical input 

they use a third party contractor used to be ATOS but they removed them self from part of the contract..not sure who they are called now....same shower I think going under different name...you must have heard the horror stories tony like a wheel chair bound woman being asked to climb a flight of stairs etc

[btc]

Excuse my ignorance on the subject....but who is it that actually makes a decision of 'fit for work'. Is there not a GP/Medical input 

they use a third party contractor used to be ATOS but they removed them self from part of the contract..not sure who they are called now....same shower I think going under different name...you must have heard the horror stories tony like a wheel chair bound woman being asked to climb a flight of stairs 

The company they use now is an amercan company who use nurse to access people that doctors and professor's have accessed to be unfit for work either through  illness or mental health