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[YZ250]

It certainly doesn't lack refinement inside the car, it's barely heard when on the move, the 6 po is smoother and more refined, but the 4 pot isn't bad at all.

Agreed, hence why I stated outside the car.  Very quiet inside and the power delivery is smooth enough. 

The four pot diesel not only lacks refinement, its lacking in the design and longevity front to....

I actually cant think of many modern diesels which lack go these days

Not really sure what you mean.  The 4 pot delivers 60+mpg and goes to a tad shy of 150mph. Can't see that much more can be expected of it really. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Your missing the key point, it's a shoddy poorly designed engine.

It's also hardly leagues ahead of the competition who have better built offerings and greater reliability

[tunnie]

Your missing the key point, it's a shoddy poorly designed engine.

It's also hardly leagues ahead of the competition who have better built offerings and greater reliability

What would your choice be for, 4pot V6 or V8 diesels?

[Del Boy]

Your missing the key point, it's a shoddy poorly designed engine.

It's also hardly leagues ahead of the competition who have better built offerings and greater reliability

Not missing the point at all, there's no doubt it has a design flaw, bearing in mind I deal with these cars days in day out, out of around 150 cars, can safely say around 10 or so have actually had engine issues. It's not miles ahead no, but it is up there with having one of the best set of figures available.

[TheBoy]

Your missing the key point, it's a shoddy poorly designed engine.

It's also hardly leagues ahead of the competition who have better built offerings and greater reliability

Not missing the point at all, there's no doubt it has a design flaw, bearing in mind I deal with these cars days in day out, out of around 150 cars, can safely say around 10 or so have actually had engine issues. It's not miles ahead no, but it is up there with having one of the best set of figures available.

Thats actually quite a shocking ratio , 7% ish

[Marks DTM Calib]

Ferrari engines have fantastic figures but does not make them reliable (there not)

[Del Boy]

Ferrari engines have fantastic figures but does not make them reliable (there not)

As I said it does have a design flaw, there's no doubting that  . Performance and refinement wise though, it's up there with the best of the 4 pots.

[Del Boy]

Your missing the key point, it's a shoddy poorly designed engine.

It's also hardly leagues ahead of the competition who have better built offerings and greater reliability

Not missing the point at all, there's no doubt it has a design flaw, bearing in mind I deal with these cars days in day out, out of around 150 cars, can safely say around 10 or so have actually had engine issues. It's not miles ahead no, but it is up there with having one of the best set of figures available.

Thats actually quite a shocking ratio , 7% ish

The overall ratio of failures I believe is sub 5%, still far too high no question.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Ferrari engines have fantastic figures but does not make them reliable (there not)

As I said it does have a design flaw, there's no doubting that  . Performance and refinement wise though, it's up there with the best of the 4 pots.

So again your confirming its average with design issues. 

Which is exactly what I said in the first place.

Thing is, if this was a Kia engine or other lesser make, nobody would even consider defending it 

[tunnie]

Although the diesel engine was far from 'much improved' as its still the same basic wanky design.

As I have said before, BMW don't make good four pots, only average to poor ones so if going for that marque it needs to be the bigger and much better six pot diesel

As we have digressed from Insignia Auto boxes, here's my two penny's worth.

Reference Marks comment above, having had both 2.0d and 3.0d I must agree that these two engines are leagues apart in refinement. The 2.0d is very economical and pretty quick but is definitely a diesel from outside the car, whereas the 3.0d is much more refined. It is a very quiet engine and goes like stink.
Both average around 37-38mpg around town and on a motorway run the 2.0d will easily do 60mpg compared to the 3.0d's 48-50mpg. The 2.0d ain't no slouch though. 
None of this is relevant if the purchase price is too high though. 
Got an eight speed auto 320d saloon you are welcome to have a go in Tunnie, just to trial the engine.

Depreciation wise, I have bought two Omega's when they were only nine months old so I'm not in a position to comment there. 

......<Snip> ...If depreciation is a factor, you need to be going with BMW or Audi etc, keeping the FdSH up. Merc aren't in the same league, as although they have a loyal following, they are not a desired car by most.

Is Jamie running a temperature? 

Does that answer your Insignia question? ......... No, thought not. 

Sorry missed this, thanks very much for kind offer. No doubt an excuse for Curry could be made out of this, be good to have a try 

[YZ250]

Got an eight speed auto 320d saloon you are welcome to have a go in Tunnie, just to trial the engine.

Sorry missed this, thanks very much for kind offer. No doubt an excuse for Curry could be made out of this, be good to have a try 

No worries, any time.  Just give me a shout when you are back out this way.