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I wonder at what point will the Gulf states get peed off with Iran lobbing ordinance at them and decide to start shooting back?   

Presumably they actually have things to throw back

Saudi has plenty of jet fighters and, as the skies over Iran are undefended....

Yes the Gulf States have been big spenders on Western military kit over the years.

I think the Saudi air force operates a fleet of Typhoons? 

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

Are we? 

As I understand it, we have very little in the way of air defences. No Patriot or THAAD batteries and five of our six T45 Destroyers with air defence capabilities are alongside in Portsmouth undergoing various maintenance/refit programmes so are sitting ducks.

So if Putin or Macron decides to send a few missiles or drones our way, there's probably not much we can do to stop them, and that's if we even see them coming!    I read the other day that all the windfarms in the North Sea cause interference or 'chatter' on ground based radar systems and it might be easy to miss a low flying 'Shahed' type drone for example coming our way.    Although I believe the RAF have recently taken delivery of three planes from Boeing with airborne radar systems? 

Maybe we could spring a couple of WW2 'Ack Ack' guns out of the Imperial War Museum? 

And have wokeist snowflakes manning them?

Maybe we could spring some pensioners out of retirement as well?          At least they wouldn't be fazed at the lack of a touchscreen! 

I wonder at what point will the Gulf states get peed off with Iran lobbing ordinance at them and decide to start shooting back?   

Presumably they actually have things to throw back

Saudi has plenty of jet fighters and, as the skies over Iran are undefended....

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

Are we? 

As I understand it, we have very little in the way of air defences. No Patriot or THAAD batteries and five of our six T45 Destroyers with air defence capabilities are alongside in Portsmouth undergoing various maintenance/refit programmes so are sitting ducks.

So if Putin or Macron decides to send a few missiles or drones our way, there's probably not much we can do to stop them, and that's if we even see them coming!    I read the other day that all the windfarms in the North Sea cause interference or 'chatter' on ground based radar systems and it might be easy to miss a low flying 'Shahed' type drone for example coming our way.    Although I believe the RAF have recently taken delivery of three planes from Boeing with airborne radar systems? 

Maybe we could spring a couple of WW2 'Ack Ack' guns out of the Imperial War Museum? 

And have wokeist snowflakes manning them?

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

The US being unreliable is largely a Western Europe point of view. The broader consensus outside the Eurobubble is somewhat more open minded.

I wonder at what point will the Gulf states get peed off with Iran lobbing ordinance at them and decide to start shooting back?   

Presumably they actually have things to throw back

I wonder at what point will the Gulf states get peed off with Iran lobbing ordinance at them and decide to start shooting back?   

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

Are we? 

As I understand it, we have very little in the way of air defences. No Patriot or THAAD batteries and five of our six T45 Destroyers with air defence capabilities are alongside in Portsmouth undergoing various maintenance/refit programmes so are sitting ducks.

So if Putin or Macron decides to send a few missiles or drones our way, there's probably not much we can do to stop them, and that's if we even see them coming!    I read the other day that all the windfarms in the North Sea cause interference or 'chatter' on ground based radar systems and it might be easy to miss a low flying 'Shahed' type drone for example coming our way.    Although I believe the RAF have recently taken delivery of three planes from Boeing with airborne radar systems? 

Maybe we could spring a couple of WW2 'Ack Ack' guns out of the Imperial War Museum? 

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

I don't see anything in there that says UK forces will be used to defend Ukraine, or Ukranian forces to defend the UK. "Effective military assistance" does not mean boots on the ground.

Training and sharing of intel - yes. Developing new weapons systems - yes (afterall Ukraine has become a world leader in drone and anti drone tech). Supplying Ukraine with the latest UK tech (and vice verca) yes.

If that upsets Russia, tough. The best way to stop their war is to withdraw to the pre 2022 internationaly accepted boundaries.

And some russian mouthpiece (often Lavrov) spouts off about wiping Britain off the face of the map every few months. We should be happy that we're getting under their skins, not scared of them carrying out their threats.

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.